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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.03 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/03/2011 06:32:51
Well flame me but the solution are obviously arenas.
It never ceases to surprise me that everyone's drooling over alliance tournaments and even stay home for them because finally they see how player skill and tactics determine the outcome of a fight and even re-watch them on youtube countless times - but if people want them in EVE it's the most horrible idea since non-sliced bread.
Doesn't it suit the EVE universe? I find this nonsense, if there's a desire for it why not make it so. If you don't like it, don't do them. Humans always had controlled ways to test their skill, be it cold and harsh roman gladiator arenas, cruel medieval knights' tournaments or your everyday football game. So why not in EVE? I see no reason why for instance CONCORD couldn't host 4 vs 4 frigate fight arenas. Again: if you don't like it, don't do it.
The advantages are obvious: it will boost the economy because people will lose a lot of ships, people will have more fun things to do and the step to get into real PvP will be a lot smaller as they get more confidence after training their PvP skills in a balanced environment.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.03 09:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Kwashi
Two counterarguments from the devil's advocate:
1. One thing that makes EVE distinct from other games that involve PVP is the relative importance of intel, logistics, psyops, and such - a layer of metagame added on to the actual combat, where the outcome of a battle can be decided before the enemy is even on grid.
2. Games that feature arena-style evenly-matched combat also usually feature meaningless combat: fight the other guy, die, respawn with nothing lost but a bruised ego, go at it again. Another big selling point of EVE is that in every battle, SOMEthing of value is at stake.
Lots of people say they want good fights, but what they really want is one sided slaughters. If you can design a game mechanic that overcomes this bit of human nature, you'll make a fortune, I think Good luck!
Practice arenas and world PvP for dominion or FW LP or whatever don't have to exclude one another, why not have both? And with arenas you can still lose your ship, arena's doesn't necessarily equal no loss.
And yes, there's people who do want good fights, no matter if they win or lose. Walkovers are never exciting, I played a lot of arena style PvP and the best fights are usually those that last long and where coopreation and individual skill determines the otcome after an hour.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.03 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/03/2011 10:54:47
Originally by: chaosyourgod
o.k so it seems like the problem here is that the only way to counter a blobb is with another blobb, but i say what if ccp added a ship that, kamikaze'd into the enemy blobb, with enough force that can kill bc' and heavly hurts bs' but you die and you have to go get another inorder to deal with another fleet.
overpowered you say ? maybe, but so is getting ganked by 20+
What about more kinds of AoE weapons/ammo - like bombers use?
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.03 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: PreZiDenT1
Guy gets angry at the ganking aspect of EvE......
Joins 0rphanage.
Reminds me that i still want to see the The Orphanage movie. Anyone seen it??
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.03 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
I will also add that only fools think that things cannot be improved overtime.
Anything can be improved upon with human effort and creativity, including EVE. However there will always be sheep that herd with the masses...so enjoy playing your "free and effortless game" along with the status quo that you are mindlessly supporting.
Sorry to say but you really could/should have known by now that the EVE forum community is the most ultraconservative of any existing game; sometimes I think if it was up to them we'd still be walking in animal skins and clubbing mammoths.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.03 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 03/03/2011 18:14:30
Originally by: Iria Vexille
Since, we, humans, are determined in our deepest within to stay alive and live for as if nothing else matters we dont engage in "fair" combat.
Sure. As if we don't play games like chess or monopoly or play tennis or whatever other game where the odds are perfectly 50/50 to start with and only player skill determines the outcome.
You're confusing things, EVE isn't real life. EVE is a game.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.04 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowMaiden
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Add arena pvp where you can only field ships / mods that you purchase yourself. Use alliance tournament rules and automate it.
Seriously, I don't know why they haven't added this..
WoW that way ---->
Funy that everyone loves the alliance and fanfest tournaments though .. or do you find that a disgusting WoW thing that doesn't belong in EVE too?
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 07/03/2011 13:08:55
Another fun idea:
1. Enable players to join Pirate factions just as FW;
2. Make them earn LP and "kills" by killing other players;
3. Kills are split between the number of people involved, so 10 vs 1 only gets you 0.1 kill and you don't get kills for a certain pilot more than once a day;
4. You get LP for ISK destroyed per person, so if 10 players kill a single 100 ISK ship they hardly get anything (this to avoid cheap alt ship ganking for rewards).
This way fighting equal fights gets rewarded a lot more than blob ganking.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2011.03.08 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
If you hopped into a ship and talked to random people in game, you will find that 90% of all people whom you encounter (of all ages and careers) wishes that EVE had some improvement to its current PVP system, its incentives and/or its fleet structure.
I definitely agree with this.
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